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Re: Vehicle towing
Reply #25 - Mar 15, 2021 - 15:13
I purchased a Minerva towing attachment for the front of my 1953 80
Holes match up perfectly and no extra holes in the front bumper required. Just need two extended bumper to chassis bolts which are series 2 bolts with unified threads as opposed the originals.
Do you mean the red ones? https://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5473 ... I was thinking of just one like this https://www.flickr.com/photos/roblovesey/18185910634 .  They look pretty cool, although a plain zinced one might be more authentic-looking.

Where can one source one of those?
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Reply #26 - Mar 15, 2021 - 15:26
Yes that is the one.
I got mine on e bay for £25. Could not decide on red or to paint it silver.
Craddocks had a pair  listed on e bay a few weeks ago. Which did not sell, you could go on the Minerva Facebook group and put a wanted add on someone will tell you the name of a firm in Germany who sell repro ones. I did that and then found the one one bay. I cannot find the name of them now .


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Reply #27 - Mar 15, 2021 - 15:40
Uncharacteristically, my Google-Fu is failing me right now ... I can find neither the Minerva Facebook Group nor the unsold eBay item :-(

If the manufacturer is in Germany, than so much the better because so am I :-) ... any nudges in the right direction would be appreciated.
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Previous owner: '62 Series IIa 109" Current fleet: '13 LR4, '13 LR2, '15 Defender Heritage Edition 90", '18 Discovery Sport

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Re: Vehicle towing
Reply #28 - Mar 15, 2021 - 16:41
Uncharacteristically, my Google-Fu is failing me right now ... I can find neither the Minerva Facebook Group nor the unsold eBay item :-(

If the manufacturer is in Germany, than so much the better because so am I :-) ... any nudges in the right direction would be appreciated.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/322603541517578

In the group "Hendrik Vander Hoeven" has both lefthand and right hand.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/322603541517578/user/1655604685


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Re: Vehicle towing
Reply #29 - Mar 18, 2021 - 07:55
With regard to towing I find when required it’s far easier with a ridged bar rather than a rope. A lot less concern on the braking front or overrunning the rope and a lot less snatch. One end fitted with an eyebolt the other a 50mm towing hitch. The bar can be carried in two parts fastened to the front bumper.
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Re: Vehicle towing
Reply #30 - Mar 18, 2021 - 08:26
I recently had cause to tow my sons transit connect van with a dead engine which meant no assistance to braking or steering.  It was only a short tow and we did it at 20mph on a strop but he was on a knife edge all the way.  We will use a solid tow in future (it doesnt solve the steering but helps with braking.

It was surprising how many of the following cars ignored the large ON TOW notice and a couple even tried to pull in the gap between us when they realised there was no space to overtake.  We now have a beacon to use.

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Reply #31 - Mar 18, 2021 - 21:20
The worst thing with a rope is the distance apart, as you said Peter, vehicles trying to get between or someone not seeing the flag on the rope tripping over it as we started to move!! We were doing the very jolly thing of towing a functioning car with a brakeless car! Colwyn Bay to Chester on the old road. Things we did in the '60s, I had to get my Marlin kit car to a garage 10 miles away on the only pole I had, 5' behind my wife's Berlingo I made the mistake of putting the pole on the O/S of the Marlin to the ball hitch on the Berlingo. This meant that I couldn't see past her. At 50mph it was one of the most genuinely scary things I have ever done. Never again!

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Reply #32 - Mar 19, 2021 - 14:52
I recently had cause to tow my son's Transit connect van...
..... a couple even tried to pull in the gap between us when they realised there was no space to overtake.  We now have a beacon to use.

Two tales...
1)    My son recently took his Transit van into one of our fields, and the road-biased tyres couldn't cope.  No problem — we'll pull it out with the Series 1.  But where was the towing eye for the front of the Transit?  No way can you put a rope on the front of a modern vehicle without the official towing eye to save wrecking the plastic bumper.  We looked EVERYWHERE, but didn't find it... it was an ex-Council van, and we just assumed that some tealeaf had 'borrowed' it permanently.  He had to order one online, leave the van in the field, and drive into town the next morning to pick it up.

Last week we were investigating a wiper motor fault, and deep in the left-hand recess of the engine compartment was the original towing eye, clipped into a well-hidden bracket!

2)     I was once coming back from a classic car rally in Scarborough in SXF870, and on the A170 came across a vintage Bugatti that had 'failed to proceed'.  As my route took me past his house I offered to give him a tow.  Oops!... the rope under the seat was only 6 feet long!  Fortunately the bus company in Thornton-le-Dale was still open, and we cadged a longer rope from them.  Towing the Bugatti gingerly towards Pickering, I realised that the combined age of the two vehicles was getting on for 120.  Because his cable brakes were so primitive, we left a loooong gap between us... and the motorbikes coming back from the Oliver's Mount races kept trying to squeeze in.

It was only when I got back home that I realised my 35A fuse had blown, and I had no brake lights or indicators — the poor guy must have had a terrifying tow, on a slack rope behind a vehicle that wasn't giving any signs of what it was doing next!
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Reply #33 - Mar 20, 2021 - 12:12
Many many years ago in the days before hazard warning lights we had the need to tow a dead land rover (big ends gone) from Scarborough to Sheffield.  We stooped for a comfort break at the cafe near Boothferry Bridge. When we came to rejoin the road 2 "heavies" one in each direction stopped to let us out.  The lead land rover got just across the carriageway in font of the lorry and turned onto the empty road by which time the dead land rover was in front of the lorry when someone tried to overtake the lorry.  there followed a bit of a kerfuffle as the towing landrover couldnt back up out of the way and the car that was trying to overtake the lorry had a driver who cou;ldnt/wouldnt backup.There was a lot of anger directed at the car driver from 2 very large lorry drivers The car driver eventually had to make his way back

100+ miles is a long way for a tow by rope.

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Re: Vehicle towing
Reply #34 - Mar 20, 2021 - 15:06
Still no joy from the Minerva Facebook group.
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Re: Vehicle towing
Reply #35 - Mar 20, 2021 - 17:02
Still no joy from the Minerva Facebook group.

In what way?  What are you expecting to happen?

Have you actually PM'd Hendrik Vander Hoeven? I gave you a link to him saying he had both left and right hand towing eyes.  Did you follow that up with an enquiry to see if he still has stock?

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Reply #36 - Mar 20, 2021 - 18:16
I posted a message.  I'll try again.
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Reply #37 - Mar 20, 2021 - 19:08
I posted a message.  I'll try again.

I would private message him because then he will get an alert.  He might not see a post on the group himself.
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Reply #38 - Mar 20, 2021 - 20:44
I sent a personal message as well.  Thanks for the lead.
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Reply #39 - Apr 02, 2021 - 15:07
The '53 80" I drive came with an installed hitch ball, but it was a) way too stubby (little or no clearance for our trailers or my game carrier), b) the wrong size for the aforementioned (old UK standard 2" 50.8cm a skosh too big versus German 50cm), and c) I really didn't like the optics, so I removed it.  However, I needed to figure out how to make the installed agricultural drawbar useful in a pinch.

I've been using two Cat 1 drawbars on my tractor for years; the flat one has seven 1.1" (28mm) holes https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B000RWA3L2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 , and the A-shaped one has two 7/8" (22cm) with a 3/4" (20cm) center drop pin https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B077Y17MNN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 .  I've been using DIN 2 = M20 = 22mm (7/8") pin-outer-diameter shackles.  Since the Series drawbar has eight 7/8" holes, I found that the tractor shackles fit in, but a) because of the paint job, it was a really tight fit (some holes didn't work), and b) the DIN 2 shackle has a D-thickness of 19mm, which is too big for any of the towing rope hooks in the trucks.  I found a DIN 1.6 = M16 = 20mm (3/4") pin -outer-diameter shackle and a D-thickness of 17mm, on which all the truck towing rope hooks fit.

I am really loathe to scratch the paint, so I made up the slight missing thickness with a few  wraps of duck tape, and at my wife's suggestion put rubber O-rings top and bottom, and I think I'm good to go.   So I now have the back end of the problem sorted ... I'm still waiting on a reply from a potential supplier re: a D-eye for the front bumper.
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Previous owner: '62 Series IIa 109" Current fleet: '13 LR4, '13 LR2, '15 Defender Heritage Edition 90", '18 Discovery Sport

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Re: Vehicle towing
Reply #40 - Apr 02, 2021 - 15:55
Be careful when ordering front D ring's as they are not all the same, there is a early and late type, plus some very poor copies being made.

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Reply #41 - Jun 10, 2021 - 15:20
https://www.facebook.com/groups/322603541517578
In the group "Hendrik Vander Hoeven" has both lefthand and right hand.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/322603541517578/user/1655604685
https://www.facebook.com/groups/322603541517578/permalink/813640132413914

Mike, thanks for the tip.  Hendrik indeed had one, which arrived today, and the holes are the proper size. I am planning to install it on the right-hand side (it's a RHD vehicle, but I think I'll want the pigtail end in unless otherwise instructed). Any thoughts on where I might find some slightly longer bolts to install it through the bumper on the front of the "dumb iron"?

Yes that is the one.
I got mine on e bay for £25. Could not decide on red or to paint it silver.
Craddocks had a pair  listed on e bay a few weeks ago. Which did not sell, you could go on the Minerva Facebook group and put a wanted add on someone will tell you the name of a firm in Germany who sell repro ones. I did that and then found the one one bay. I cannot find the name of them now .
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TAC, would you be able to give me the dimensions/specs on those longer bolts?  Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.  :-)
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Reply #42 - Jun 10, 2021 - 17:35
They are standard series 2 towing eye bolts. I purchased them on eBay but they are no longer available from the dealer.  I think they were Brit part. I am away at the moment so I cannot measure them. They should be available from Dingocraft.


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Reply #43 - Jun 10, 2021 - 18:33
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Previous owner: '62 Series IIa 109" Current fleet: '13 LR4, '13 LR2, '15 Defender Heritage Edition 90", '18 Discovery Sport

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Reply #44 - Jun 10, 2021 - 20:16
The ones I bought were specifically for the towing eyes they are AF threaded and about 25 mm longer than the standard bolts. Blanchards May have them also.


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Reply #45 - Jun 10, 2021 - 20:59
Bolts can be bought from any Nut and Bolt stockist without having to go to specialised L.R dealer where you will end up paying twice the price.

Originals were 3/8" BSF x 4" long, so why not just buy 3/8" BSF x 4 1/2" from a bolt stockholder?
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Reply #46 - Jun 10, 2021 - 21:31
Go for high tensile too.
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Reply #47 - Jun 11, 2021 - 01:29
Why do people refer to the towing and lifting rings 242139 as "military" ? Surely if they were military they wouldn't be listed in the  56 parts catalogue 4107 ?
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Reply #48 - Jun 11, 2021 - 06:12
Following up on Mike's comment
I cant undrstand why people dont make more use of nut and bolt suppliers and bearing suppliers etc.
My local bearing supplier will try to match any bearing, oil seal or V belt that I either show them or give dimensions for and the nut and bolt supplier keeps a ready stock of metric, unf, unc, bsf and whitworth nuts and bolts plus the correct size washers for each.  Any odd ones that they dont have theys eem to be avle to get in hours plus they are cheaper.

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Reply #49 - Jun 11, 2021 - 09:54
Thanks for the replies.  1) I want to make certain they are the proper dimensions.  2) I want to make certain they are of the proper tempering/tensile strength to be load-bearing.  3) I am in Germany, so there aren't any places with boxes of Imperial-sized bolts on the shelf.


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