What did you do in your Land Rover today?

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Offline Trakgrip

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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #800 - Dec 04, 2022 - 11:48
Carrying Sant a on a close coupled trailer on the highway is probably a legal offence.

Undoubtedly, and from an insurance point of view probably a complete catastrophe. If Santa is "at work" (a Santa for hire) then the full weight of HASAW would also apply. Perhaps the reason he has so many Elf ('n'Safety ?) helpers is to undertake the risk assessments.

I hope that enforcement authorities might be inclined to be somewhat liberal, but in all seriousness an accident involving injury to a trailed Santa is not something I would want to risk.  Probably best to put a dummy on the trailer nowadays (although perhaps you could argue unkindly that in these times anyone who was willing to ride on a trailer already is one).

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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #801 - Dec 04, 2022 - 13:07
Undoubtedly, and from an insurance point of view probably a complete catastrophe. If Santa is "at work" (a Santa for hire) then the full weight of HASAW would also apply. Perhaps the reason he has so many Elf ('n'Safety ?) helpers is to undertake the risk assessments.

I hope that enforcement authorities might be inclined to be somewhat liberal, but in all seriousness an accident involving injury to a trailed Santa is not something I would want to risk.  Probably best to put a dummy on the trailer nowadays (although perhaps you could argue unkindly that in these times anyone who was willing to ride on a trailer already is one).

The rules about people travelling in caravans (and by extension trailers?) only applies to close coupled trailers?  Possibly a turntable steered trailer could carry Santa, since a turntable steered living van can carry people?     

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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #802 - Dec 04, 2022 - 15:52
Probably safer behind a series one in low gear then behind a bunch of stampeding reindeer... ;D

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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #803 - Dec 04, 2022 - 21:03
His assistant is holding up a mobile phone and taking an 'elfie!

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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #804 - Dec 04, 2022 - 21:13
Glad to see someone else using a Minerva tow point on an RHD Series 1 https://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php?topic=7431.msg327030#msg327030 .

I can't imagine there being any regulations against slow-speed parade float towing, but perhaps the UK is now applying more stringent regulations than the EU these days.

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Reply #805 - Dec 04, 2022 - 22:03
Glad to see someone else using a Minerva tow point on an RHD Series 1 https://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php?topic=7431.msg327030#msg327030 .

I can't imagine there being any regulations against slow-speed parade float towing, but perhaps the UK is now applying more stringent regulations than the EU these days.
Upon a bit of reasearch it appears that passengers can be carried on a trailer provided it is not for "Hire or Reward"  and remain within UK law.

Providing it was all done voluntarily and no payment was made for fuel cost, drivers time etc, then no probs.

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Reply #806 - Dec 04, 2022 - 23:19
Really? That surprises me but I'm happy to take your word for it. Presumably now he has to be seated and wearing a seatbelt, and also unless the float was constructed prior to 1982 or thereabouts I would have thought it would have to be type approved or SVAd if it's carrying people.

I'm sure that we can bah humbug the party atmosphere if we put our minds to it!

I'm even surprised in this excessively "woke" age that most Santas are still IC1 males of a certain age.

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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #807 - Dec 05, 2022 - 08:31
I'm even surprised in this excessively "woke" age that most Santas are still IC1 males of a certain age.

I'm sorry... I'm not changing my gender as a Santa just to please the woke brigade!  And it's only once you reach a 'certain age' that you can do without the white fluffy beard that has elastic over the ears.

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Reply #808 - Dec 05, 2022 - 12:33
Weekend photo from the Karoo

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Reply #809 - Dec 05, 2022 - 19:21
I'm sorry... I'm not changing my gender as a Santa just to please the woke brigade!

Surely you're not telling us that was you and not the real Santa??

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Reply #810 - Dec 05, 2022 - 23:12
Surely you're not telling us that was you and not the real Santa??
Having once been a stand-in for (Sir) Tony Robinson*, depping for Santa posed no problem.  I did it in a Welsh accent, claiming that the English Santa was staying in Qatar to watch the rest of the footie, but there was little point in a Welsh Santa staying out there now.  It seemed to satisfy the kids.

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Reply #811 - Dec 06, 2022 - 15:15
Fantastic! Glad its made it that far. Do keep us posted.

Arrived safe and sound.  First order of business was to replace the Series 2 indicator lenses with  Series 1 lenses and remove the defender side mirrors.  My 86" has a center rear view mirror but I notice the 107 does not have one.  Could it have had one originally?

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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #812 - Dec 06, 2022 - 15:25
Arrived safe and sound.  First order of business was to replace the Series 2 indicator lenses with  Series 1 lenses and remove the defender side mirrors.  My 86" has a center rear view mirror but I notice the 107 does not have one.  Could it have had one originally?
By law a vehicle of this age is required to have two mirrors, One mirror must be externally mounted on the offside, and a second mirror can be within in the vehicle on the windscreen or alternatively externally on the nearside.

Whatever a Land-Rover was built with does not give the current owner the legal right to run with just a single mirror. (no grandfather's rights)  It needs two mirrors as specified in C and U regulations.

Where see "A wheeled motor vehicle, not in items 1 to 5, first used before 1st June 1978 (or in the case of a Ford Transit motor car, 10th July 1978) and a track-laying motor vehicle which is not an agricultural motor vehicle first used on or after 1st January 1958, which in either case is—

(a) a bus;

(b) a dual-purpose vehicle; or

(c) a goods vehicle." 

Mirrors to be fitted  "At least one mirror fitted externally on the offside of the vehicle and at least one mirror fitted either internally or externally on the near-side of the vehicle."

You will that  sinse a series one land-Rover is a dual purpose vehicle manufactured before 1st June 1978,  It needs two mirrors, One has to be external on the offside.  If there is no internal mirror, then it needs an external mirror on the nearside.

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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #813 - Dec 06, 2022 - 15:47
By law a vehicle of this age is required to have two mirrors, One mirror must be externally mounted on the offside, and a second mirror can be within in the vehicle on the windscreen or alternatively externally on the nearside.

Whatever a Land-Rover was built with does not give the current owner the legal right to run with just a single mirror. (no grandfather's rights)  It needs two mirrors as specified in C and U regulations.

Where see "A wheeled motor vehicle, not in items 1 to 5, first used before 1st June 1978 (or in the case of a Ford Transit motor car, 10th July 1978) and a track-laying motor vehicle which is not an agricultural motor vehicle first used on or after 1st January 1958, which in either case is—

(a) a bus;

(b) a dual-purpose vehicle; or

(c) a goods vehicle." 

Mirrors to be fitted  "At least one mirror fitted externally on the offside of the vehicle and at least one mirror fitted either internally or externally on the near-side of the vehicle."

You will that  sinse a series one land-Rover is a dual purpose vehicle manufactured before 1st June 1978,  It needs two mirrors, One has to be external on the offside.  If there is no internal mirror, then it needs an external mirror on the nearside.

If you remove the offside Defender mirror it will need replacing with a more period external mirror (wing, windscreen or doortop) and the nearside mirror can only be taken off and not replaced if you fit an internal mirror to replace it.

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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #814 - Dec 06, 2022 - 17:14
The construction and use regs for the US I'd guess are broadly similar to our own, but it would be worth confirming locally.

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Reply #815 - Dec 06, 2022 - 17:25
Looks great. Keep the photos coming.


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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #816 - Dec 06, 2022 - 19:01
The construction and use regs for the US I'd guess are broadly similar to our own, but it would be worth confirming locally.
Ah Yes!  I hasn't seen this was in U.S.   Rules and regsa probably are different.  My post relates to UK law only.   I didn't mean to confuse anybody,  An oversight on my behalf not to have checked location.where the vehicle was to be driven.
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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #817 - Dec 06, 2022 - 22:19
  My 86" has a center rear view mirror but I notice the 107 does not have one.  Could it have had one originally?

I don't have the memory that I used to have, but I do remember that our 1955 86 came without any mirrors. At some later date a rear view was fitted inside (still there today), but I can't remember whether it was because it had become a legal requirement. Once it became a legal requirement then I expect they left the factory with wing mirrors.
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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #818 - Dec 07, 2022 - 01:21
Looks great. Keep the photos coming.


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some small progress.  Love the Sherardised fixings.  I was able to source the original green indicator flasher unit.  Sure beats the empty hole in the panel.   Round Wing mirrors for sure.  I see the club shop has glavy brackets that replace the top door  hinge plate with a bracket for a mirror.  I will "age" the new cigarette lighter.

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Reply #819 - Dec 07, 2022 - 06:00
Looks great!  You could replace that Dymo label tape with something else more period as well https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284604479747?hash=item4243bfb903:g:OF8AAOSw3QViqzDS .
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Offline Eddy Camerlinck

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Reply #820 - Dec 07, 2022 - 07:21
Looks great!  You could replace that Dymo label tape with something else more period as well https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284604479747?hash=item4243bfb903:g:OF8AAOSw3QViqzDS .
Well the dymo labels started off in 1958... So reasonably period... ;D
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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #821 - Dec 07, 2022 - 08:02
"By the late 1960s, DYMO® label makers not only had a strong following in the United States, but in Europe as well – so much that the company decided to establish a European headquarters in Sint Niklaas, Belgium."

https://www.cableorganizer.com/articles/history-of-dymo.html

That's only 44 kilometers away from you!


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Reply #822 - Dec 07, 2022 - 08:44
Sought some expert advice
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Offline Eddy Camerlinck

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Reply #823 - Dec 07, 2022 - 09:06
"By the late 1960s, DYMO® label makers not only had a strong following in the United States, but in Europe as well – so much that the company decided to establish a European headquarters in Sint Niklaas, Belgium."

https://www.cableorganizer.com/articles/history-of-dymo.html

That's only 44 kilometers away from you!
I know my uncle lived near the factory...  ;D
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Re: What did you do in your Land Rover today?
Reply #824 - Dec 09, 2022 - 16:11
Since any activity on the Forum seems virtually non existant today I will let you know I went out to get kebabs for my wife and myself.

I didn't take a photo.......

 

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