I would like to buy this 80". Any feedback prior to my finalizing would be

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Offline havens51

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I wonder if I can get some help.  I'd like to finalize my offer on this 80" on Ebay.  I know Series 2s very well, not so much Series 1s.   I am interested in how original this truck is in the opinion of the experts.  I am a sucker for bells and whistles and wonder if bits like the trafficators are correct?  there is no mention of mileage, and the paint is very shiny.
Any insight is welcome.
thanks in advance.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185216296879

Offline braddock

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Why not get a lhd one in the USA?


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Do a an LRSOC search on OJO419, and one can see the history going back to when it was pulled out of a farmyard.

It appears to be a very clean vehicle, but I am certainly no expert.  People in the UK will likely say that's a high price, but for continental Europe that appears in the range for a lights-behind-the grille in that condition, and you could import that to the US and flip it for much more.  Be aware that was sold by Bonhams at Bicester Heritage in July 2020 for £20,250 https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26115/lot/73A/ .

Personally, I think an RHD model would be more coveted by US collectors than an LHD ... plus you can always get a job as a mail carrier ;-)
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Seller providing almost no detail on the vehicle, and copying the Bonhams photos. I'd be suspicious as hell.
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I would be very wary about spending that sort of money on an unseen vehicle. Before spending that money I would be wanting someone like Julian Shoolheifer to look it over.
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Do a an LRSOC search on OJO419, and one can see the history going back to when it was pulled out of a farmyard.

It appears to be a very clean vehicle, but I am certainly no expert.  People in the UK will likely say that's a high price, but for continental Europe that appears in the range for a lights-behind-the grille in that condition, and you could import that to the US and flip it for much more.  Be aware that was sold by Bonhams at Bicester Heritage in July 2020 for £20,250 https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26115/lot/73A/ .

Personally, I think an RHD model would be more coveted by US collectors than an LHD ... plus you can always get a job as a mail carrier ;-)

I've never seen a lights behind the grill lhd for sale in the us.  perhaps I need to look harder?  thank you

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Seller providing almost no detail on the vehicle, and copying the Bonhams photos. I'd be suspicious as hell.

Really good points.  That's why I came here first.  I am also very suspicious now that I know the Bahamans photos were used.

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I would be very wary about spending that sort of money on an unseen vehicle. Before spending that money I would be wanting someone like Julian Shoolheifer to look it over.

Yes, I read his book last month.  You're absolutely right.

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Thank you all for taking the time to help me on this.  Clearly I have to exercise more patience and caution.   I am waiting patiently for a LHD 1954 Series 1 with patina to be sorted by our top series 1 guy in the US.   It's just that this one on Ebay really caught my eye.  I didn't think that I'd have much of a chance for a lights behind the grill truck here in the states.
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I originally wanted a lights-behind-the-grille light green '48 exactly the same color as my '15 Defender 90".  The prices were extortionate, and I ended up buying a bronze green '53 80" from the UK, with an eye toward taking it back home to the US someday in the indefinite future ... sadly, the Defender can't go to the US until 2041 :-(

Personally, I think you're much better off getting a later 2-liter Series 1 for the US; they're cheaper, have a bit more uumph compared to the 1.6s, and the conventional dog clutch selectable four-wheel drive versus the semi-permanent four-wheel drive is easier on both the driver and the tires.  You're better off buying from the UK or Australia, as prices in Europe are high https://www.autoscout24.de/angebote/land-rover-series-86-series-i-soft-top-benzin-gruen-18c49eab-49f0-4513-8981-7459b961a6b2 .

I bought mine from photos, but from a reputable specialist dealer https://www.williamsclassics.co.uk/previously-sold-vehicles/page/11/ .  I'm not saying the eBay ad isn't legitimate, and the seller probably just wanted to use professional-quality photos from the previous sale (that happened with mine), but I would still never buy a big-ticket item like that on eBay as it's too easy to spoof.

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I've never seen a lights behind the grill lhd for sale in the us.  perhaps I need to look harder?  thank you
Julian Shoolheifer https://www.shoolheifer.com/featured-work restored USV 663 for Ralph Lauren https://luxurylaunches.com/watches/ralph-lauren-rl67-safari-collection-celebrates-u-s-debut.php , and that's an RHD '50 80" with bulkhead markers and lights-through-the-grille imported from the UK.

There were Series 1s in Canada from the very start, but they didn't appear at the British Automobile and Motor Cycle Show in New York until April 1950 https://www.roverparts.com/roverlog-news-blog/70-years-land-rover-in-america/ , so '47-'49 LHD lights-behind-the-grille units intended for the North American Dollar Area (NADA) were rare as hens' teeth from the get-go.

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Thank you all for taking the time to help me on this.  Clearly I have to exercise more patience and caution.   I am waiting patiently for a LHD 1954 Series 1 with patina to be sorted by our top series 1 guy in the US.   It's just that this one on Ebay really caught my eye.  I didn't think that I'd have much of a chance for a lights behind the grill truck here in the states.
Whoís working on your truck in the USA?

LHD always commands more in the USA. NADA specific trucks even more. If you want a lights behind the grill nada yeah thatís impossible but a nice 80 inch can be had.

As others have said I would be leery of the info. Personally Iím not a huge fan of restos in general unless they were donít by a small handful of people. Rather original which it seems you are getting just a little later.


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Engine bay looks rubbish

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Thank you all for taking the time to help me on this.  Clearly I have to exercise more patience and caution.   I am waiting patiently for a LHD 1954 Series 1 with patina to be sorted by our top series 1 guy in the US.   It's just that this one on Ebay really caught my eye.  I didn't think that I'd have much of a chance for a lights behind the grill truck here in the states.

Wise decision. I'd seen this advertised recently on Car & Classic too so it maybe genuine enough vehicle but never never buy unseen especially abroad would be my advice unless via an agent or dealer you trust in your own country. With our inferring any malice upon the seller here, there have been too many image copied scams, even of bonefide vehicles in the UK, over the last few years which have caused much distress especially to the genuine owners who then have their sale compromised in some way.

I'm sure a decent enough 80" might surface in the States of Canada for you in due course. Good luck in your search.
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My immediate thoughts on looking at the photos is who in their right mind would use a modern crimp connector on the trafficator earth lead, and why are the door flaps fitted on the inside of the doors. Both minor points I accept, but they raise doubts about the integrity of the rest of the vehicle in my mind. I also feel that the tone of the advertisement ("selling our beloved ....") taking into account the comments above about it being sold at Bonhams in 2020 - so the seller has owned it for less than two years - would be further reason for approaching this one with an enquiring and suspicious mind.

It looks to me like a pretty sound vehicle, but I would be very circumspect indeed if I was looking to buy it.
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He appears to expect a significantly large sum for his "other item" listed today too .  :tic:
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Offline midlandoak

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Check out the chassis number it was built early 1950 not 49 as eBay advert
I pointed this out to the seller who said he was getting a Heritage Cert ??


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Incorrect wiper motor and distributor fitted


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Offline havens51

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Wise decision. I'd seen this advertised recently on Car & Classic too so it maybe genuine enough vehicle but never never buy unseen especially abroad would be my advice unless via an agent or dealer you trust in your own country. With our inferring any malice upon the seller here, there have been too many image copied scams, even of bonefide vehicles in the UK, over the last few years which have caused much distress especially to the genuine owners who then have their sale compromised in some way.

I'm sure a decent enough 80" might surface in the States of Canada for you in due course. Good luck in your search.
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If I could tell you how many times I have given that very advice to others!   I got stung from a UK outfit on my first 110.  But then hit two home runs on BringaTrailor.  I'll listen to your, and my own advice and pass on this one.
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Offline havens51

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Whoís working on your truck in the USA?  Pangolin 4X4 on the west coast.

LHD always commands more in the USA. NADA specific trucks even more. If you want a lights behind the grill nada yeah thatís impossible but a nice 80 inch can be had.

As others have said I would be leery of the info. Personally Iím not a huge fan of restos in general unless they were donít by a small handful of people. Rather original which it seems you are getting just a little later.


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He appears to expect a significantly large sum for his "other item" listed today too .  :tic:

I don't see any "other items" from this seller when I checked a few moments ago.

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Which one is yours? Red or blue?


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I don't see any "other items" from this seller when I checked a few moments ago.

A million pounds???  That must be quite the spreader.  Wow.

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Which one is yours? Red or blue?


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Blue

 

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