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Offline starken

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- May 27, 2021 - 09:49
Antarmike answered a question under the heading of 'How much is a Land Rover defender'.
I quite inderstand why this was locked, but on this occasion his very comprehensive reply was excellent and would be very helpful when asked, as I often am, about Land Rovers in general.

Offline craggle

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Reply #1 - May 27, 2021 - 10:35
If I press back enough times, I find the reply again, Copy and pasted below......

The Land Rover Defender (originally called simply Land Rover Ninety, and later called the Land Rover Ninety and Land Rover One Ten and one thirty) is a British off-road vehicle. It has four-wheel drive, and was developed in the 1980s from the original Land Rover series which was launched at the Amsterdam Motor Show in 1948.

The Defender was a coil sprung Land rover introduced in 1983.

Before the Defender Land Rover (Rover) built a range of leaf sprung Land Rovers, starting with the series I Land_Rover which were in production from 1948 to 1958.

The series I was replaced with the series II, in late 1957 and these were built until 1961 when the Land-Rover series IIA was introduced.

In late 1970 the series II was again replaced by the Land-Rover series III which was produced until 1985.

In 1979 a V8 version was introduced and was called the Land Rover V8 stage 1.

Along the way there were various Forward Control series Land-Rovers, notably the IIA and the IIB forward control, but also a purely Miltary 101" wheelbase Land-Rover  with a V8 engine.

None of these series vehicles are actually Defenders.

This club can offer advice on the possible cost to buy the earliest models of Land-Rover, the series I.

I realise that the Defender name is erroneously applied by some to any of the Land-Rover range, and it is possible you are making the same mistake.  If that is the case then we can help with advice, but really price depends on condition and age.  Futhermore the series I evolved over the ten years of production, starting at 80" wheelbase, followed by 86" and 107", and finally 88" and 109" wheelbase.

Very early 80" make the most money, particularly those made in the first year of production, 1948.

If however you genuinely mean you want to buy a Defender (1983 or later) then there are better groups and Forums who can give more reliable advice than the series one club.

Land-Rover series I have generally sold in the range of £2,000 or less for a project later series I to £80,000 to £100,000 for an imacculately restored early example,  and therin lies the problem.

There is so much difference in appeal between the various wheelbase and engine options (not to mention LHD or RHD) that pricing literally is all over the place.  It also depends on availability of Land-Rovers where you live.  I suspect in USA you will have to shell out more money to buy the same Land-Rover, we in UK would be able to buy for far less.

Perhaps more realistically you should be telling us what you can afford to spend, and we can tell you what you might expect for that money.

You have other options, if you want a Defender style Land-Rover without buying an actual Defender.  Series II / IIA Land-Rovers are almost always cheaper/ like for like than series Is,  and series IIIs cheaper still, but again various specifications make premium price (One Ton version, V8 stage 1, etc).  Again there are specialist groups and Forums who can advise you better on value of Series II/IIA or series III models.


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Reply #2 - May 27, 2021 - 10:42
If I press back enough times, I find the reply again, Copy and pasted below......


Wouldn't it be easier just to click on the original post?   :lipsrsealed:

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Reply #3 - May 27, 2021 - 11:37
Ah, it had been locked, I thought it had been removed....

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Reply #4 - May 27, 2021 - 12:11
I am a little surprised the thread was locked.   Had it been me I would have given time for the OP in America to reply and say exactly what he was looking for. 

He could have been genuinely looking for a Series one, and not realised they were not known as Defender.

Defenders have now been around for nearly 40 years, and the name Defender has almost become synonymous with any "boxy" 4x4 by Land-Rover.

It might have been a genuine mistake on his behalf, so I posted a reply that I hoped would lead him to reply more specifically what he was looking to buy.  I feel it is a pity he was not given a chance to correct the name if he was genuinely looking for an early Series Land-Rover.


Offline Bjornung

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Reply #5 - May 27, 2021 - 12:12
I think Antarmike answered the excelent way he did because quite often people not familiar with the Land-Rover to Land Rover story refer to Series Ones as "early Defenders "

So what did he actually buy, a Series One or Defender 2021?

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Reply #6 - May 27, 2021 - 13:24
For those wanabe Defender rivet counters, 83-89 110's and 84-89 90's weren't Defenders either.
Simply Land Rover 110's and 90's!

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Reply #7 - May 27, 2021 - 14:46
For those wanabe Defender rivet counters, 83-89 110's and 84-89 90's weren't Defenders either.
Simply Land Rover 110's and 90's!

Rgds

Simon


.....and the 127 was the Land rover 127 before it became the Defender 130 in 1990.... and the Ninety was scheduled to become Aggressor when the OneTen / 110 became the Defender, but the managment were persuded that it would give the wrong sales image to the punter.....and both became Defenders......but none of this has any real relevance,  It is generally accepted by non pedants, if it is on coils it is a Defender. 

And I am sure the OP to whom I first rssponded would not be interested in the short lived names by which the coil sprung models were originally known.....



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