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January 11, 2019 - 15:37
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Offline The Pink Toenail

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Sad news that JLR are planning to axe up to 5,000 jobs. Media recon it's a mix of Gov policy on diesel, falling sales in China and Brexit. Brings back memories of the one step forward, two steps backwards decline of the British car industry in the 70's & 80's. Hope not! Made me think though....if Brexit ends in a "no deal" will JLR be forced to move it's 40,000 UK jobs & operations to the EU to maintain it's European sales?
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January 11, 2019 - 15:53
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Offline ian

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January 11, 2019 - 16:30
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Online fulltilt

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Slovakian government to grant £108 million to car maker for new factory in Nitra.

So - where did the Slovak gov. get the  £ 108 million from    :undecided:       I think I know   ;D

I well remember during the 1980's , and can name several townships that gained a new by-pass in N.E. England .  If a one-horse town lost its only main industry - then it got a new road  (probably so the hardship / devestation could not be seen by passing motorists ).

For several years at both ends of the new stretch of road was a massive DCC hoarding,  stating - financed with EEC assistance.

Play by the rules   :huh:   too late / to honest ,,  in the early years  Greece - painted fake olive groves on the ground to fool surveillance ,   whilst Italy managed to actually loose at least one blast furnace by clever industrial camouflage.   
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January 11, 2019 - 17:12
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Offline Sparshatts

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I wonder if targeting the luxury/SUV sector of the market and turning their back on the commercial and military markets will pay off
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January 11, 2019 - 17:51
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Online FHF58

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I wonder if targeting the luxury/SUV sector of the market and turning their back on the commercial and military markets will pay off
I am surprised that they haven't taken advantage of the Tata relationship to develop proper commercial style 4x4s under the Defender brand.  Specialisation is OK but the SUV market is seeing a lot of growth from many new entrants.  Few of them also build proper military friendly small trucks like a Defender replacement or Unimog alternative.
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January 11, 2019 - 17:57
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Offline mutley1954

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 Its because they dont build what people want !! Toyxxxa Hixxx  is king.  . Sorry.
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January 11, 2019 - 18:00
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Offline Dpaz

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Let us remember that JLR is an Indian company now. Britain has a wonderful record of innovation followed by chucking it all down the pan. I have a S1 which I love, I once had a work supplied 110 TD5 which was Ok  but, a new clutch on recall a new gearbox (faulty) cylinder head problem duff heater plugs in the winter! All this between 40-70K mls. Dealer indifference . I was doing about 3.5-4Kml a month . I was given a Ford Ranger while the TD5 was being fixed. It was on the same tyres as the TD5 ,Pirrelli Scorpions. It would do any thing the TD5 would do towing a 2 tonne trailer off road, cruising quietly on 250ml commutes Air con in the summer . I wonder why after the first 2 days I didn't want the TD5 back? I did about 60k mls without a problem before I had to give it back . QED?BTW Hilux was good but Ranger was better

January 11, 2019 - 18:04
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Offline mystery

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January 11, 2019 - 19:00
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Offline linesrg

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Good Evening All,

Is anybody genuinely surprised at this news? If you sink all your eggs in to essentially one basket........ it certainly hasn't come as a surprise to me.

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Richard

January 11, 2019 - 19:31
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Offline trainingaid

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Put all your eggs in the luxury SUV market, and look what happens.....frustrating really. Remember the Freelander 1, previously the best selling 4x4 in Europe?
In 2003 we bought a Maasai Mara (one of the last pre facelift Freelanders) for cash price £13995. 3 years later and the last Freelander 1 (Adventurer) was if I remember rightly, about 18k....on a PCP that was us done. Now how much for the cheapest Discovery Sport?
Can't take it away from them, they have been doing very well, but a whole chunk of vehicle buyers have just been forgotten, i.e those of us on an UK average income.
Bet the likes of Ford, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, are really quaking in their boots at the advent of the new, reputedly high priced Defender, not.
Please prove me wrong JLR!
Meanwhile, shortly to be parked next our Minerva (series 1 content  ;D ;D ) will be a new shape Dacia Duster 4X4. Go Duster!


January 11, 2019 - 19:32
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Offline fifty seven

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Good Evening All,

Is anybody genuinely surprised at this news? If you sink all your eggs in to essentially one basket........ it certainly hasn't come as a surprise to me.

Regards

Richard
There is a past parallel with the ancestor Rover company that almost sank just like this. If it had not been for the success of Land Rover through 1950's the Rover brand could never have survived their narrow concentration on the upmarket Rover 90 - Rover 110 Car range of products.
 Once safety legislation imposed speed impact tests and 'crumple engineering' Rover Company very nearly went to the wall. The Land Rover brand disappeared into what became British Leyland. The Rover name featured on the 2000 - 3500 series and then disappeared except for use to re-badge cheap and cheeful BMC for an upper bracket market. 

Narrow ledges are the hardest to walk along  :tic:

January 11, 2019 - 19:46
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Offline msm80

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To quote Richard above


"Good Evening All
Is anybody genuinely surprised at this news? If you sink all your eggs in to essentially one basket........ it certainly hasn't come as a surprise to me.
Regards Richard"

Nope!
JLR have seemingly steamed on into continuing to pamper to the luxury 4x4 market and as happens so much in this country, Brexit or no Brexit they have failed, as even the most adventurous western economy car makers, by not really sticking to the basics and have something ready that can take new hybrid or electric traction to the masses. Its all very well being tied to competing with Tesla but at the top end which may save Jaguar but not anything remotely 4x4. Much as it galls me to say it Ford by its sheer size alone along with Hyundi and KIA etc are just waiting to pounce on the Defender vacuum. I really cannot see the replacement Defender making it now. The Classic Heritage business is one we can only hope is a separate entity such that they can continue if only for the sake of those employees that enjoy what many of us do as a hobby.


While I am an ardent environmentalist I still cannot see how an HM Gov knee jerk against diesels makes sense if they have not prepared the ground first for new traction to take a sensible hold. Us country folk will still require some sort of independent transport that must be reliable and go the distance, while towns folk may have to forgo their four wheels if they cannot find a handy charge point in their street, especially if they live in a block of flats! Funny we can give up plastic bags overnight but our wheels...……... impossible after a century of having everything built around and by them for our convenience. 30+ million vehicles to switch traction is going to need a lot of change and adaptation and its just not been thought through...….. mmmm just like Brexit
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January 11, 2019 - 19:52
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Offline Keith Robertshaw

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I convinced my wife 3 years ago that we shouldn’t get a diesel Hyundai suv as we didn’t do enough miles, and I secretly wanted a disco sport petrol. However lr them making them for export they wouldn’t sell us one. Which suited my wife as she wanted a Hyundai Santa Fe.  :(   3 years later it hasn’t had anything go wrong with it or been back to the dealer apart from routine servicing. It’s got every conceivable toy on it and cost £20k less than the equivalent optioned up disco sport


It seems that lr don’t want to sell volume at lower price points, but I think they’re missing a trick. I’m not a fan of vw and their badge engineered suvs, but the Skoda yeti was a stroke of genius. This is where they should be focusing their r&d efforts - at least in a volatle market they’d get revenue, and the smaller vehicle would carry a petrol or electric power train
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January 11, 2019 - 20:28
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Offline Bruce

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Seems like they have a bit of a death wish. Still relying on the "Rugged Defender" heritage image, without producing anything that actually resembles it. Vehicle manufacturers survive by diversifying, not relying on basically one niche market. The new "Defender", if it now ever happens, is just taking a thin slice of their  own overcrowded luxury market, and will probably not bring them many new customers at all.
Unfortunately it appears to be a British disease. Make hay whilst the sun shines, with little thought of what will happen when it rains. (no more boom and bust, pound in you pocket, sell gold reserves, tax pension pots etc. etc.)
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January 11, 2019 - 20:54
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Offline ian

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Very true!


They should have had the Defender replacement ready to go as the old one went out, it may have sold well?
They had the whole world holding its breath in anticipation but nothing happened!
many have got bored of waiting  and have brought other brands,
You can only keep people waiting for so long.


When they stopped production, for me a huge part of Land Rover heritage died, they will never get that back, no matter how much they dwell on the past, they will never be able recreate it?


A missed opportunity....😕







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January 11, 2019 - 21:31
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Offline roversrussell

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hi guys happy new year a little off the subject is this worked many years in coventry on major shutdowns in all of the car factories and the tool companys1959 to 1974    i used have beer with wol veasy at the ansty working mens club in ansty by the canal they were good days  and his son in law dave all passed now  wol worked for the morris most of his life     when in uk 4 years ago on the coventry a45 by pass going down  memory lane    where the standard car factory stood is now wait for it  ?????????????       french car name   way      what does that tell you regards jim pearl
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January 12, 2019 - 00:24
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Offline 3sheets86

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The director of JLR is German and he is against Brexit so blames anything and everything on Brexit in an attempt to stuff it up the government, It's all a political protest really.

January 12, 2019 - 08:48
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Offline Stephen M

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I think we should avoid straying onto focusing on Brexit - better off focusing on what unites us (series 1’s 😊) rather than that which divides us.


I think the Chinese downturn has been called out as the biggest impact. But I wonder how much of JLR’s supply chain sits outside the UK?   With just in time logistics and supply chain management - that could easily be a huge driver in this.

January 12, 2019 - 14:21
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Offline farmer

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I agree with much that has been said already by our members  I agree that the defender should be replaced by something very close to the original concept but I fear that it won't. In my opinion Land Rover only make one car, which is a luxury 4x4. All models are slight variants of the same thing. The corporate image makes it difficult to spot the differences. I own a Discovery4 which transports my wife's mobility scooter. The Discovery 5 won't take the scooter as its load space has reduced in size. Less practical but Land Rover no longer do practical. Corporate image means more to them.
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January 12, 2019 - 16:04
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Arrange these words into a well known phrase or saying.  Eggs basket one all in.
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