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Author Topic: Lights behind, to through grill at which chassis number ?  (Read 5151 times)

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February 03, 2016 - 17:49
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Offline ceejay

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  • Location: Sri Lanka
Hi Folks,


I  have searched online for a while about this subject and come across contradicting information and have not found info specifically quoting chassis numbers.
I have seen write ups online quoting both 1950 and 1951 as the changing point for headlights, from being behind the grill to in front.


I am looking at a Series 1 which according to documentation, was first registered in my country in April 1950. It would have taken over a month to come here from UK.


The chassis number is R06108911 and the engine number 16108594


Can someone tell me if this vehicle should have the headlights behind the grill or through the grill please.

February 03, 2016 - 18:22
Reply #1

Offline ojonesyo

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  • Location: Pembrokeshire, UK
Your Landrover is 8000 after mine, so it should be 'Lights-through-the-grille'.
You go and make something idiot-proof......and then someone goes and invents a better idiot!

February 03, 2016 - 18:22
Reply #2

Offline TomC

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  • Location: Moray
The changeover was at vehicle 06111547, so your vehicle was originally lights behind the grille, but it isn't unusual for them to have been changed.

Ojonesyo is getting his model years in a twist. :smiley:

February 03, 2016 - 18:48
Reply #3

Offline antarmike

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  • Location: Lincolnshire, UK
Tony Hutchings "Early Years" book has the change at chassis 061 11547  and adding to TomC has a date of May 1950.

You are never too old to have a happy childhood.

February 03, 2016 - 18:52
Reply #4

Offline ojonesyo

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  • Location: Pembrokeshire, UK
Oops....I stand corrected! I saw the engine number '161.....' and assumed it was after the changeover..
You go and make something idiot-proof......and then someone goes and invents a better idiot!

February 03, 2016 - 20:57
Reply #5

Offline PLN

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  • Location: France, Tarn
I have L06107863, February 1950, light through the grill.
Frédéric

February 03, 2016 - 21:17
Reply #6

Offline philpjread

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  • Location: North Yorkshire, UK
I have 06107039 which is a lights behind, narrow front spring but not fishplate. I also have 16100806 registered nov 1950 which is a wide spring lights through.
1949 80" x2, 1950 80" x2, 1952 80", 1954 Station Wagon,

February 03, 2016 - 21:30
Reply #7

Offline ceejay

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I have L06107863, February 1950, light through the grill.


Could this have had it's face changed at some point ? since there seems to be researched and documented data which specifies a chassis number where the change took place ?




February 04, 2016 - 14:15
Reply #8

Offline ceejay

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soo.. there is still contradicting info coming through.


Is the change at 06111547 in May 1950 as given in Tony Hutchings "early years" book, the accepted point of change ?


Is it safe to assume that the earlier chassis numbered vehicles being reported with lights through the grill, were all originally lights behind and been "face lifted" by previous owners ?


I don't want to buy this vehicle, if it is not a lights behind the grill model.






February 04, 2016 - 14:38
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Offline Willerby

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It isn't.

As per http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=24

R06111547 Despatched In 02/05/1950
The headlights evolved from the Lucas L-WD-HO type, that are tucked behind the front 'Full Grille', to being the Lucas F700 type that stick through the front Grille. The Full Grilles themselves had evolved slightly since 1948. The first style, 'Early Grille' being 27 squares across and with gaps in the wire on the outer edge of each screw tab, and the tab joining the wire below it. This type lasted generally until late December 1948/early January 1949. The second style 'intermediate' Grille, is almost the same as the early Grille but wires run on the outer edge of the tabs. It appears around late November 1948 and occasionally through 1949. The 'Normal' Full Grille is 26 squares across and the screw tab does join the wire below it. It first appears around January 1949.


February 04, 2016 - 15:02
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Offline ceejay

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It isn't.

As per http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=24

R06111547 Despatched In 02/05/1950
The headlights evolved from the Lucas L-WD-HO type, that are tucked behind the front 'Full Grille', to being the Lucas F700 type that stick through the front Grille. The Full Grilles themselves had evolved slightly since 1948. The first style, 'Early Grille' being 27 squares across and with gaps in the wire on the outer edge of each screw tab, and the tab joining the wire below it. This type lasted generally until late December 1948/early January 1949. The second style 'intermediate' Grille, is almost the same as the early Grille but wires run on the outer edge of the tabs. It appears around late November 1948 and occasionally through 1949. The 'Normal' Full Grille is 26 squares across and the screw tab does join the wire below it. It first appears around January 1949.




Okaay... so that further confirms the same chassis number, month and year as the "early years" book, for the change of position of the lights.


Sorry I did not understand what you meant by "it isn't" at the beginning of your comment.... it isn't what ?

February 04, 2016 - 15:13
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Offline Willerby

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Apologies, your vehicle is a lights behind grille.


February 04, 2016 - 18:40
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Offline Old Hywel

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It isn't.

As per http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=24

R06111547 Despatched In 02/05/1950
The headlights evolved from the Lucas L-WD-HO type, that are tucked behind the front 'Full Grille', to being the Lucas F700 type that stick through the front Grille.
Interesting to see the 'R' prefix used here. Was that an export model, since the R had been dropped at home by then?

February 04, 2016 - 19:34
Reply #13

Offline ian.bowman

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This is a export vehicle In the first post he states  registered in his country Sri Lanka in 1950 but I think all 061s had the R or L prefix it was only dropped when the 1951 model year started ie 161 chassis range      Ian
Mta 47 defender 300tdi ford GPW 1944

February 04, 2016 - 20:05
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Offline TomC

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I think all 061s had the R or L prefix it was only dropped when the 1951 model year started ie 161 chassis range     

Actually the R-prefix was dropped about the middle of the 1950 Model Year and the L-prefix continued in use for longer.

This is all probably confusing ceejay. The answer he wanted is that his vehicle should be 'lights behind grille' though he ought to satisfy himself that it still is.

February 05, 2016 - 07:17
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Offline PLN

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Could this have had it's face changed at some point ? since there seems to be researched and documented data which specifies a chassis number where the change took place ?

Oops, silly me:
Light behind the grill it is so consistant with common knoledge.
Frédéric

February 05, 2016 - 09:22
Reply #16

Offline TomC

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Is the change at 06111547 in May 1950 as given in Tony Hutchings "early years" book, the accepted point of change ?

Sorry ceejay, this question wasn't answered.  One good source for these sort of changes is the Land Rover Parts Book and that tells you that 06111547 is the change point (almost certainly the source of information used by Tony Hutchings).  If you do buy your 'lights behind' then make sure you have a copy of this Parts Book.

February 05, 2016 - 19:25
Reply #17

Offline philpjread

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According to James Taylor  "Original Land Rover series 1" the first lights through the grill was chassis number 0611-1547 May 1950.
1949 80" x2, 1950 80" x2, 1952 80", 1954 Station Wagon,

July 14, 2019 - 15:39
Reply #18

Offline Mr norris

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Sorry to bring this thread back up but just reading through and iv got a January 1950 built  motor reg number FNV 671 Chassis number R06106516  narrow front leaf spring  model  it has a lights  through the grill front panel fitted so is this right or has it had a facelift at some point  thanks Terry

July 14, 2019 - 17:09
Reply #19

Offline Old Hywel

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